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8×50mmR Lebel

Introduced 1886Nicolas Lebel (Balle M); Georges Desaleux, Atelier de Puteaux (Balle D)CIP standard

Also known as 8mm Lebel, 8 x 51 R Lebel — the same cartridge under different names, all of which find this page.

Dimensions and pressure

Generated from the schema, like every specification table on this site, so a figure recorded on this entry cannot be missing from the table.

Identity
Designed by
Nicolas Lebel (Balle M); Georges Desaleux, Atelier de Puteaux (Balle D)
Introduced
1886
Production
1887–1945
Standards body
C.I.P.
Case type
Rimmed
Case shape
Bottleneck
Dimensions
Bullet diameter
8.3 mm0.3268 insource

C.I.P. TDCC table II datasheet, field G1

Bore diameter
not recorded
Case length
50.5 mm1.988 insource

C.I.P. TDCC table II datasheet, field L3

Overall length
75 mm2.953 insource

C.I.P. TDCC table II datasheet, field L6

Rim diameter
16 mm0.6299 insource

C.I.P. TDCC table II datasheet, field R1

Neck diameter
8.85 mm0.3484 insource

C.I.P. TDCC table II datasheet, field H2

Base diameter
13.77 mm0.5421 insource

C.I.P. TDCC table II datasheet, field P1

Pressure
Maximum pressure
320 MPa46,412 psisource

C.I.P. TDCC table II datasheet, Pmax 3200 bar

Pressure standard
C.I.P.

SAAMI and C.I.P. measure pressure differently and their figures are not interchangeable, which is why the body is always named beside the figure.

Loads

Velocity is recorded per barrel length as published. A gun page interpolates between these points and never projects beyond them.

Balle D

Bullet mass
12.8 g197.5 grestimated

Wikipedia's running text on the Balle D bronze mono-metal bullet, uncited on Wikipedia itself; no barrel-length-stated velocity exists for this load, so no velocity point is recorded

Cartridge mass
not recorded
Bullet type
solid 90/10 bronze, spitzer boat-tail
G1 BC
not recorded
G7 BC
not recorded

Balle N

Bullet mass
15 g231.5 grestimated

Wikipedia's running text on the Balle N bullet, uncited on Wikipedia itself; no barrel-length-stated velocity exists for this load, so no velocity point is recorded

Cartridge mass
not recorded
Bullet type
lead-cored, cupro-nickel-over-steel-jacketed FMJ, spitzer boat-tail
G1 BC
not recorded
G7 BC
not recorded

Chambered in

Computed from every entry that lists this cartridge. Nothing here is hand-maintained.

No entry on the site is chambered in it yet.

Detail

The 8×50mmR Lebel was the first smokeless-powder cartridge adopted by any army, entering French service in 1886 as the round for the tube-magazine Lebel Model 1886 rifle. It was made by necking down the earlier 11×59mmR Gras black-powder case to 8 mm, which is why its body carries an unusually sharp double taper and a thick rim rather than the cleaner bottleneck of the smaller-calibre cartridges it inspired abroad.

Its rifle’s tube magazine, rather than the cartridge’s ballistics, drove most of what makes the round distinctive. A flat-nosed bullet (balle M) was mandatory at first so a pointed tip could not set off the primer of the round in front of it; a circular groove machined around the primer cup, adopted alongside the pointed, boat-tailed balle D in 1898, later solved that problem and let France field the world’s first spitzer boat-tail military bullet. The balle D was replaced in the early 1930s by the heavier, steel-jacketed balle N, built for the Hotchkiss machine guns then in French service; rifles rechambered for it were stamped N on the barrel. The case’s taper, well suited to a tube magazine, fed poorly from the box magazines of later rifles such as the Berthier, and is the reason those magazines were built with a visible curve.

The cartridge remained in first-line French service through both world wars before being declared obsolete and replaced by the rimless 7.5×54mm French after 1945.

This entry’s dimensions and maximum pressure are transcribed from the C.I.P.’s own TDCC datasheet for the round, filed under its C.I.P. designation “8 x 51 R Lebel”. No barrel length is published alongside either historical bullet’s velocity, on Wikipedia or elsewhere freely available, so no muzzle velocity is recorded for the Balle D or Balle N loads — only their bullet masses, which are themselves uncited on Wikipedia and are carried here as estimated rather than verified. No ballistic coefficient for either bullet was found.

References

  1. 8×50mmR Lebel · 1370035236 · read 2026-09-01
  2. C.I.P. TDCC datasheet — 8 x 51 R Lebel (table II) · 2015-05-19 · read 2026-09-01

Last verified 2026-09-01 · review status: draft